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will cover some of the FOIA tapes and documents of NYC emergency
responders and survivors of the 9/11 attacks of the World
Trade Center. Reports of missiles
that were fired at the WTC 2 from the Woolworth Building
are of particular interest, video evidence, and records
seem to indicate that this actually took place. Keep in
mind that this page only covers highlights, and we have
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than 500 of them so far. Check back to this page as updates
will surely follow. As you will see, there is little doubt
that many things were happening at the WTC that are not
common knowledge, and were not even mentioned by the 9/11
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Hear a CNN live report on the Pentagon, "no plane crash
anywhere near the Pentagon" they said. Listen
to CNN Live report.mp3
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
By Steven E. Jones Department of Physics and Astronomy Brigham
Young University:
In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation
of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought
down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use
of pre-positioned explosives. I consider the official FEMA,
NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage
alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings.
And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis,
which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable,
and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded
by the US government. Read
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-- Listen
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S. GREGORY
may have been parked near where you were?
A. No. I know I was with an officer from Ladder
146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me
up a couple of days later just to find out how I was.
We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how
valid this is with everything that was going on at that
particular point in time, but for some reason I thought
that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center
before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw
low-level flashes. In my conversation
with Lieutenant
Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he
questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes
in front of the building, and I agreed with him because
I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I
mean, it could have been as a result of the building
collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a
flash flash
flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of
the building
or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You
know like when they demolish a building, how when they
blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I
thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him,
but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,
doc8 page 15
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S. GREGORY
but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing
right next to me. He said did you see anything by the
building? And I said what do you mean by see
anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said,
yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw
them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean,
I equate it to the building coming down and pushing
things down, it could have been electrical explosions,
it could have been whatever. But it's just strange
that two people sort of say the same thing and neither
one of us talked to each other about it. I mean, I
don't know this guy from a hole in the wall. I was
just standing next to him. I never met the man before
in my life. He knew who I was I guess by my name on my
coat and he called me up, you know, how are you doing?
How's everything? And, oh, by the way did you ... It
was just a little strange.
Q. On the television pictures it appeared
as
well, before the first collapse, that there was an
explosion up on the upper floors.
A. I know about the explosion
on the upper
floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go
like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not
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MSNBC: FOIA 9/11 Tapes released
Listen
--FOIA 9/11 Tapes released:
Long said he heard the north tower shake and thought something
in the basement had exploded. Read
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--Firemen and survivors report basement explosion
at WTC2 Read
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--Five
of us grabbed our air packs and helmets and other gear and
headed out. We got on the elevator and went down to the
Mall Level and made our way across toward Tower Two. As
we turned into a connecting corridor leading to Tower One,
we suddenly heard a terrible rumbling noise. I looked out
onto the street and saw a fireball the size of my house
hit the pavement. Then everything around us started shaking.
"Run!" Sarge yelled. "Run to the left!"
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Newly-released
tapes of firefighters and other emergency personnel show
that New York's Office of Emergency Management told a handful
of people that buildings 1 and 2, as well as building 7,
were going to collapse BEFORE each building actually collapsed.
See also this statement.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/08/how-did-they-know.html
James Drury (Assistant Commissioner FDNY)
"I came close to arriving at the corner of Vesey and
West again where we started to hear the second roar. That
was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people
in the street and myself included thought that the roar
was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside
the building.
As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere
in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive,
a wall.”
Lt. NEIL BROSNAN FDNY
SO I WENT BACK OUT TOWARDS THE WEST STREET SIDE OF WORLD
AT THIS TIME ENCOUNTERED
238 AT AN LIVAT BANK AND THEY ASKING The SECURITY GUARD
WAS IT FIRE DEPARTMENT MANNED
ELEVATOR AND HAD JUST TOLD THEM THAT WE ARE NOT ASSIGNED
TO WTC1. FOLLOW ME AND WE WILL PROCEED DEEPER IN THE BUILDING
AND WELL PICK UP THE HALLWAYS. THAT WILL GET US ACROSS BACK
TO WTC2.
AT THIS TIME CAUGHT THE explosion
COMING COMING OUT FROM MY LEFT SIDE SEEN THE CEILING COMING
DOWN AND WE ALL GOT LOW AND BACKED DOWN DEAD END HALLWAY.
ME AND THE OFFICER FROM 238 AND THE SECURITY GUARDS AND
BELIEVE TWO OF HIS MEMBERS GOT LOW AND BACK DOWN AND ALL
RECALL IS FOR ME IT WAS THE RIGHT WALL THAT WOULD BE MY
WALL BACK OUT TO WEST STREET.
WE WERE BLOWN DOWN THE HALLWAY MY LEFT EYE WAS BLINDED BY
DEBRIS OUR MOUTHS WERE STUFFED WITH GUESS THE CONCRETE DEBRIS
FROM THE explosion AND AT THIS
TIME WHEN WAS GETTING BLOWN DOWN THOUGHT THIS WAS THE THIRD
PLANE ESU WAS TALKING ABOUT.
ACTUALLY THE explosion
CAME IN THROUGH THOSE DOORS AND CAME UP BEHIND THE WAY HAD
COME
IN AND THAT THAT THE explosion
CAME FROM THE WAY HAD JUST LEFT.
DID YOU KNOW WHAT THE explosion
WAS?
NO. WE NEVER HEARD THROUGH THIS WHOLE EVENT THROUGH THE
COLLAPSE OF OTHER THAN, WELL
WORLD TRADE CENTER 1 HAPPENED TO BE THERE. I SEEN THAT COLLAPSE
http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1601
Long said he heard the north tower shake and thought something
in the basement had exploded. http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3825
Five of us grabbed our air packs and helmets and other gear
and headed out. We got on the elevator and went down to
the Mall Level and made our way across toward Tower Two.
As we turned into a connecting corridor leading to Tower
One, we suddenly heard a terrible rumbling noise. I looked
out onto the street and saw a fireball the size of my house
hit the pavement. Then everything around us started shaking.
"Run!" Sarge yelled. "Run to the left!"
http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_articles/BN_FromTheRubble/
At one point
in the radio dispatches, there is a report of a "possible
missile launching from the Woolworth Building," a landmark
a few blocks away.
Another person called out: "They're shooting at the
Trade Center from the Woolworth Building."
Original url which has been taken down by the NY Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/113055p-102094c.html
Cache from Way Back Machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/113055p-102094c.html
Cache from Grassroots InfoMedia:
http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/New
York Daily News.htm
Video: 911.wtc.2.woolworth.rocket.naudet.avi
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/naudet/woolworth.php
"Can you
send somebody over to the Woolworth Building to check the
roof?" a Port Authority police officer asked. "There's
a possible ... they said it was ... we just had a second
explosion, possibly a missile
from the roof of the Woolworth Building."
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4035
Firefighter Pete Fallucca - Engine 16, East 29th St - "As
we got closer, the second plane hit. The streets were packed,
like New Year's Eve on Times Square. We were about a block
away when it hit. When we got out a cop told us he had seen
a rocket hit the tower which had come off the Woolworth
building. I'm saying, 'Oh my God. How we gonna fight this
fire when they are shooting at us?'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/life/story/0,6903,577739,00.html
Stills of the
missiles and explosions
at the Woolworth Building
http://maebrussell.com/9-11/Trade%20Center%20Building%20Explosion.html
http://www.gallerize.com/Missiles%20on%20the%20Morning%20of%209-11-1.htm
Video of the missiles
http://www.attackonamerica.net/f-15atwtc.mpg
More from FOIA
documents
doc1 page 11
Chief Gombo was in the driveway at that
point. I asked him to take some people and set up a
triage area whereever they thought it would be best to
set it up. I believe they left the driveway and went
south towards Albany.
Right after that there was a camera crew
there from somewhere. I remember Frank Gribbon saying
to me is there any chance this building would fall
down. I don't think I gave him a real good answer, but
he did tell the camera crew to step back because we
were concerned about falling glass. We assumed from
the last explosion that there
were big big chunks of
glass coming down from somewhere. So he told them to
get back against the building.
doc1 page 13
Q. Was Chief Ganci present in that area at that
time?
A. I didn't see him. I don't remember seeing
him. I came back out. I remember seeing Bill, but I
don't remember. I don't remember clearly who else was
there, but I know there were about - I would guess
between 40 and 50 people in the driveway.
Q. All Fire Department personnel?
A. No, I think aside from Fire Department
personnel, there were some other civilian people. I
seem to remember somebody in a T-shirt. The only
reason I remember that is because -- I think I remember
that because I ran into him later on at the back of the
garage. We looked up at the building straight up, we
were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming
from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought
it was an explosion. I don't
think I remember that. I
remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one
specific layer of the building. I assume now that that
was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or
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doc 2 page 11
what they were doing. I turned around, I heard
something, and I thought the facade and just the facade
of the south tower was coming down, and one of the
firefighters near me was saying holy shit, and I think
he felt the building was going to collapse. I wasn't
convinced of that at first. I thought maybe it was
just some facade falling. All of a sudden there was a
rumble and you see the building
starting to collapse.
At that point I ran north on West Street as fast as I
could possibly run.
Q. At the point where you noticed the building
was falling, were you south of Vesey?
A. I was south of Vesey. I was probably midway
between Vesey and the north bridge, that north
overpass. I was probably midway there. And the
building started falling and I started running and a
lot of people started running. Whoever was around me
started running.
Q. Northbound?
A. Northbound. We were running northbound up
West Street. At one point I could turn around. I
turned around over my shoulder and I just saw this
cloud. I mean, the building collapsed. There was a
cloud coming at you. You knew you couldn't outrun the
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doc3 page 5
time around there?
A. Black smoke. Black smoke and people
running everywhere. A lot of fire apparatus on
both sides of West Street. I didn't see any
guys, just apparatus. I saw some stretched lines
and things like that.
So we continued to drive into the smoke
cloud. We got to maybe one block north of where
the Battery Tunnel exits onto West Street there,
and then, boom, a massive explosion.
fight in
front of us we saw what looked like a fireball
and smoke. It was rolling this way.
I said, "Jerry, we've got to get out of
this hcking car." I'm afraid --
Q. That's okay.
A. I'm afraid -- so we bailed out of the
truck.
Q. This is your recollection.
A. We bailed out of the suburban. We went
doc3 page 6
pitch-black. I closed my eyes again. I was
praying. When I opened my eyes a second time --
and it feels like each one of these instances was
a long period of time, but I don't know how long
it was.
When I opened my eyes a second time, it
was like skiing in a blizzard. It was just
white, a sea of white, and everything blowing all
around. So I felt okay. "Jerry, we've got to
get out of here. "
We got out from under the vehicle. We
got back in the vehicle. We jumped over the
divider and started driving back down West Street
to the battery. We got to battery -- we put the
vehicle up against where that old fortress is
right by the Holocaust memorial. There's an old
fortress right where the Statue of Liberty ferry
terminal is.
Q. Sure.
A. We put the vehicle up against that
wall, and each one of us climbed into one of
those cubbyholes.
Then there was another it sounded like
an explosion and heavy white
powder, papers,
underneath it.
The thing blew over us. I had my
turnout coat on. I put my face in my helmet.
The thing blew over us. I felt heat. I felt all
kinds of debris and stuff hitting my body.
When I opened my eyes, it was
doc3 page 10
M. STEFFENS 10
think that's when the first tower that came down?
A. I think it was the second tower came
down, although I don't know for sure.
Q. Was there a lot of debris while you
were still going on West Street?
A. No.
Q. Powder?
A. No. A lot of fire apparatus, a lot of
engine companies like that.
Q. The street was clean?
A. It seemed wet. There were stretched
lines. I didn't see my guys. This seemed weird
me, all this apparatus but no guys. There
were lines stretched on the ground but no guys.
Q. So it was clear while you were going up
West Street?
A. Yes. That's when we heard this massive
explosion and I saw this thing
rolling towards
us. It looked like a fireball and then thick,
thick black smoke.
Q. Is it possible the second one occurred
while you were in the battery?
A. The second one had to have occurred
while we were at the battery, because that's when
doc3 page 12
M. STEFFENS 12
time, it couldn't have been close together
because too many things happened. But it seemed
like they happened very close to one another.
The whole thing seemed like it happened
very quickly from getting no hrther with the
vehicle so let me just pull this car over and
bail out, what I can do on foot. I didn't get
more than a block or two -- you know where the
fire station is on South Street?
Q. Yes.
A. That's where I was. Jerry picked me up
right there. We went right into the hole, came
around up onto West Street. I didn't know what
the hell -- when the Port Authority cop tried to
stop us -- he waved and said, "No, the building's
going to come down."
At that point I wasn't listening to any
cop. My thought was I've got to go there. My
guys are there. Then boom and the cloud. I
didn't want to stay in the vehicle. I was afraid
that the windows were going to blow out. My
reflex action was to get underneath it.
Q. How did the vehicle survive when you
got out from under the vehicle?
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M. DELGADO
I was just in a mood that I just didn't give a shit or
I felt kind of safe. People started running back and I
was just ...
At this point my leg started to hurt me,
which is interesting. All through the day it didn't
hurt me. But I started feeling a tinge in my ankle.
So building 7 came down, the OEM building,
and then they moved back forward and the command post
was set up and we started hearing of the casualties.
That was sad. That was sad because a lot of my friends
are dead. A lot of them. On both sides. And that's a
shame. That's a shame. But basically that was it.
I'd say about 9:30 at night, I hitched a ride
with some vehicle that was coming to Brooklyn and they
dropped me off on Tillary and Flatbush and I hobbled in
here. They gave me clothes and stuff and told me to
take a shower and that was it. I came back to work the
next day, still not understanding, still not really --
which was interesting because, when I got home that
night, I got to see the incident. I lived it, but I
had never seen it, because I had never seen the planes
hit or anything. We thought they were bombs going
off. We didn't know. We were being told later on that
the Sears Tower was hit and the Pentagon, and you hear
doc4 page 4
M. DELGADO
Q. How many of the towers were burning; one or
two?
A. One. Only one at this time.
So we went across the Brooklyn Bridge, had a
little trouble navigating through the traffic, and
finally arrived at the corner of I believe it's West
Broadway. Let me look on this map real quick. West
Broadway and Vesey.
As soon as we arrived, 84, a massive
explosion goes off, and at
this point we didn't know
what it was. We thought it was a secondary explosion.
We didn't know that it was a second plane. In fact, I
didn't know there was a second plane until much later
in the evening.
An explosion goes off. I immediately
tell
everyone to get out of the car and hide somewhere, go
underneath something. It's interesting because, as we
were there, there was a police car, I guess, on Vesey,
on the corner there, and some debris comes down from
whatever this explosion was,
at the time we really
didn't know, and it just crushes it, I mean, crushes
the top front of the police car, which really scared me
at that point.
Q. Could you tell if it was airplane parts?
doc4 page 24
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M. DELGADO
it. I'm here today because I think the grace of God.
. l had
a few patients who I wish I could have carried away,
but you didn't have time. You didn't have time to
think. I don't know where Lillo went. I don't know if
he went this way or he went that way. Where did he
go? I don't know. It's interesting because, of the
seven or eight people who were there at this location,
none of us ended up in the same place. It's sort of
like roaches and you turn the light on, you know what I
mean? Everyone scattered. Wherever you saw or you
thought there was an opening, that's where you went.
Obviously, no one went towards the building, but we all
scattered in different directions.
We eventually ended up meeting after the
second explosion, three of
us met up here, but I didn't
see a lot of the people that were with me until two,
three days later. I got word that they were okay. For
instance, Dr. Guttenberg and Dr. Asaeda, who were at 7
World Trade Center, they got trapped in there and had
to like climb in and out and get out because that
building also became very damaged supposedly and they
were there. We thought they were dead. I guess he was
in an area where Commissioner Tierney might have been,
doc4 page 14
rumble
14
M. DELGADO
Depena.
Q. Delapena?
A. Delapena, yes. I saw him also there because
at one point he goes, Manny, Manny, what's going on?
He's another one that was searching for his wife
because I believe his wife was in the tower.
Q. I think that's right.
A. Yes. But I tried to keep my eye on Carlos as
much as I can. I'm dealing with the people that are
coming out. There's some other people there that I
don't really know their name. I know their faces. A
black gentleman that works down for operations also.
In fact, there's a picture of them both treating that
lady that I'm talking about with the red dress in one
of the Time magazines that I forgot his name. It will
come to me in a minute. But anyway, we're treating.
I remember at one point or another this
Lieutenant coming in and asking for help to get the
oxygen out of the vehicle. I go to help him, and at
that point I remember not seeing Carlos, and I don't
know if he was there or not there. But immediately
once I put the oxygen down, I hear the rumble,
and I
heard a rumble that we thought
was another plane.
That's what immediately everyone said, there's a plane
doc4 page 15
rumble
15
M. DELGADO
coming, there's another plane coming.
So we all looked up and what we saw was
tower, I guess, 2, the south tower, begin to do this.
The top kind of did this and there was a horrendous
rumble.
Q. Now, your hand is showing that it's kind of
tilted in one direction. What direction did it tilt?
A. It was tilting towards us, so it had been to
be tilting eastward.
Q. East?
A. Maybe southeast. I'm not sure because at
this point it's total pandemonium. At that point we
hear the rumble and, you know,
this is it. I figure
I'm dead. I thought this tower was going to topple.
So I start to run. I remember running -- I don't know
which way I ran. I don't even know what street I ended
up on to be very honest with you. I ran -- it must
have been either this or Fulton. One of these two.
Q. Dey Street or Fulton Street?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you know if there was a church next to
you?
A. I don't know. I know there were stores up
the block. So I start to run --
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S. GREGORY
may have been parked near where you were?
A. No. I know I was with an officer from Ladder
146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me
up a couple of days later just to find out how I was.
We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how
valid this is with everything that was going on at that
particular point in time, but for some reason I thought
that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center
before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw
low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant
Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he
questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes
in front of the building, and I agreed with him because
I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I
mean, it could have been as a result of the building
collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash
flash and then it looked like the building came down.
Q. Was that on the lower level of the building
or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You
know like when they demolish a building, how when they
blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I
thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him,
but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,
doc8 page 15
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15
S. GREGORY
but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing
right next to me. He said did you see anything by the
building? And I said what do you mean by see
anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said,
yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw
them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean,
I equate it to the building coming down and pushing
things down, it could have been electrical explosions,
it could have been whatever. But it's just strange
that two people sort of say the same thing and neither
one of us talked to each other about it. I mean, I
don't know this guy from a hole in the wall. I was
just standing next to him. I never met the man before
in my life. He knew who I was I guess by my name on my
coat and he called me up, you know, how are you doing?
How's everything? And, oh, by the way did you ... It
was just a little strange.
Q. On the television pictures it appeared as
well, before the first collapse, that there was an
explosion up on the upper floors.
A. I know about the explosion
on the upper
floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go
like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not
doc19 page 12
B. BECKER
a f t e r t h a t , but t h a t i s not as accurate i n
my mind,
t h a t I ' d say we were i n t h e 30th or 31st, 32nd Floor,
or something l i k e t h a t , and a few of t h e guys were
l y i n g wiped out on t h e f l o o r , you know, t a k
i n g a break
with t h e i r masks off and l y i n g i n t h e hallway
when
t h e r e was a v e r y l o u d roaring sound and a v e
r y l o u d
explosion, and t h e -- it
f e l t l i k e t h e r e was an
explosion above us, and I had
a momentary concern t h a t
our b u i l d i n g was c o l l a p s i n g .
Looking up, guys were diving i n t o t h e
stairway, and then it was l i k e -- everybody was very
scared by then. I ' m t a l k i n g t h e firemen, and then
we
were very worried about what was going on. We d i d n '
t
know, but apparently t h a t was t h e o t h e r b u i l
d i n g
f a l l i n g . I think we were t h a t f a r along.
So we regrouped i n t h e stairway f o r a couple
of minutes, and I t o l d t h e guys, "All r i g h
t , hang on.
L e t ' s see what's going on." I s t i l l wanted
t o go up
and f i g h t t h e f i r e . The chief was very good. He
s a i d ,
"All r i g h t , everybody calm down."
A couple of firemen s a i d , "Did you f e e l t h
a t
rush of a i r ? " and t h i n g s l i k e t h a t ,
and how it was
going on. It r e a l l y f e l t l i k e our b u i l d i
n g was coming
down, and then t h e c h i e f , who was out of s i g h
t f o r a
doc19 page 17
B. BECKER
overpass."
So we just ran as a unit to the overpass
again, and we took a look up, and it was like one -- it
was like, holy shit. It was like -- because it was
like -- I guess the building was kind of -- I don't
remember specifically, but I remember it was, like, we
got to get out of here. So I think that the building
was really kind of starting to melt. We were -- like,
the melt down was beginning. The collapse hadn't
begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was
like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion
on a
tremendous scale going on up there.
I said to the guys -- I said, "We are in the
collapse zone." I mean, that sounds like a joke, but
I
said, "We got to -- we can't stay here." So we
started
running up West Street, and I'd say within 50 yards or
so the building was collapsing behind us, and then it
was like everybody was, like, oh shit, you know. This
is it. Every man for himself, running up West Street.
Q. So what members of the Company 28 were with
you that day? Do you recall?
A. With me?
Q. Yes.
A. Chelsen, Ippolito, Campagna -- he's an
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B. BECKER
A. We stayed on the primary technical Channel
1. We never switched.
Q. You never switched.
Just going back, given the current status of
any member missing or deceased member, did you see them
or did you --
A. No, I never saw a firefighter die. I never
saw -- turns out our chauffeur made it. He was pulled
into a building. He had experienced both collapses on
the street, and he had been somehow pulled in on the
second one that would have destroyed our apparatus
totally. He was pulled into a building by a policeman
or something into a federal building or something.
MR. MURAD: George, any questions?
BY MR. CUNDARI:
Q. What did you hear when the building starting
collapsing the second time? Did you feel -- just
started coming down? You didn't hear anything, feel
anything?
A. We felt -- our whole building that we were
in, when World Trade Center 2 collapsed, that was the
first one to collapse. We were in World Trade Center
1. It was a tremendous explosion
and tremendous
shaking
of our building. We thought it was our
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We knew something had happened. I
don't think we realized like the whole thing had
come down, because we didn't even know -- she had
said that something had collapsed, there was some
kind of explosion, I don't
know. We just got
out, we stopped, and all of a sudden people just
started coming out, all covered in the ash.
Q. Where did you stop?
A. I know we were outside of 385 Broadway
at one point, because there was a lingerie shop
there and the guy was so nice. He let us come
in, let us use the bathroom, let us use the
phones. I know the deli next had asked people
doc17 page 9
Still in the hallway, we heard a big
shake in the building. It's my belief that was
the tower two coming down. I'm not positive, but
you could definitely feel an incredible shake.
Q. Did you hear any explosion
or anything
from the first?
A. I didn't. Some people stated to me
that there was at that time, but I can't recall
actually hearing.
Q. You were at the 35th floor --
A. We were at the 35th floor.
Q. -- when you decided to evacuate and got
the mayday.
A. Right.
Some people have indicated that that
was the 37th floor, but I believe it was the
35th.
Q. Do you know what time?
A. I have no idea what time frame that
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G. HANSON
Foder and Firefighter Kelly from Squad 18. At
that point we're assisting the civilian, trying
to hold him up. At that point I got rid of my
mask. We were outside the building. We were all
pretty exhausted by that point too. I went ahead
of them to remove debris. We were at this point
right here. I don't know if you can see that.
Q. Okay.
A. That's basically where we were. Then a
large explosion took place.
In my estimation
that was the tower coming down, but at that time
I did not know what that was. I thought some
type of bomb had gone off.
I was, I believe, ahead of the rest of
the firefighters and officers there. I made it
to the corner, and I took about four running
steps this way when you could feel the rush of
the wind coming at you. I believed that that was
a huge fireball coming at the time.
I then hit the deck into the side of
the building and basically waited it out. We
were all hit with debris. At that point it was a
total blackout. You couldn't see anything. All
this glass already had been taken out.
doc18 page 3
The c i v i l i a n s were o r d e r l y and b l e s s i
n g us
and helping t h e i n j u r e d down. I checked t h e standpipe
a few times on t h e way up. We made it up t o t h e --
I
b e l i e v e t h e 35th s t o r y . We were t a k i n g
a b r e a t h e r . I
was on my knees, catching my b r e a t h , and we were
d i s c u s s i n g -- we were going t o hook up w i t h
a n o t h e r
engine company t o make it up t h e r e -- e a s i e r t
o get up
t h e r e . We were going t o have some guys j u s t take
c y l i n d e r s and t h e o t h e r guys take hoses, but
we f e l t
t h i s rumble and t h i s
noise, l i k e a t r a i n was going
through your l i v i n g room. F e l t l i k e an earthquake.
A few minutes l a t e r , a chief -- someone t o l d
me he believed it was 11 b a t t a l i o n -- s a i d t
o drop
doc18 page 4
Claes
everything and get out, get out. He didn't say why.
He just said, "Drop everything and get out." Probably
said it a couple of times.
So basically, that's what guys did. I went
back and got my coat, my cylinder and my standpipe kit,
and I was the last one to go down from my company, but
they ended up -- we got separated because I found out
later that one of our -- Richard Billy was on the 27th
story in the hallway with a woman in, I believe, a
wheelchair, and the rest of the company went in to get
him.
I continued down, not realizing that they
stopped at the 27th Floor. I made my way down to
around the 10th Floor. Someone said go to Stairway B,
so I went down. I went to B. I saw Faust with
Battalion 8. I asked him did he see anybody from 24
engine. He said no. I continued down.
I made it to the lobby. I did see a woman
walking real slow. I walked behind them. She was
being helped. I don't remember if it was a fireman or
EMT. I got -- I just wanted to get some fresh air, so
I went around them. I made it to the lobby.
I saw building employees running around.
There was a lot of debris in the lobby. I went out the
doc18 page 5
Claes
same way I came i n . That was on t h e northwest corner
of tower -- 1 World Trade.
Q. On t h e map on t h e r e ?
A. I went out a window t h a t was taken out,
because I knew my engine was parked on t h a t s i d e .
I
made it out t o t h e -- I saw a man i n t h e courtyard.
He
was waving me out, l i k e come on out, get out of t h e
r e .
I d i d n ' t look up. I j u s t went out t o t h e s t
r e e t .
When I g o t o u t t o t h e s t r e e t , I looked up,
not b e l i e v i n g what I was looking a t . I saw t h
r e e
people jump out of t h e b u i l d i n g , and it s t a
r t e d t o
c o l l a p s e , and I took off north on West S t r e e
t . I made
it behind an engine. I was only carrying my c o a t . I
had time t o put it over my head. I was a t t h e back
s t e p w i t h a n o t h e r fireman. I d o n ' t know
who it was.
F i n a l l y when t h e dust c l e a r e d , I s t a r
t e d
walking north on West S t r e e t f o r a couple of blocks.
I
d i d n ' t see t h e r e s t of my company. I saw some
members
from Ladder 8, and I decided t o go back t o t h e engine,
because it was s t i l l running when I went out t h e f
i r s t
time, so when I went back t o Engine 24, which was
parked on t h e Vesey and West, it was s t i l l running,
but
t h e supply l i n e was severed and t h e r e was a l o
t of dust
and d e b r i s on t h e ground.
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B. BECKER
a f t e r t h a t , but t h a t i s not as accurate i n
my mind,
t h a t I ' d say we were i n t h e 30th or 31st, 32nd Floor,
or something l i k e t h a t , and a few of t h e guys were
l y i n g wiped out on t h e f l o o r , you know, t a k
i n g a break
with t h e i r masks off and l y i n g i n t h e hallway
when
t h e r e was a v e r y l o u d roaring sound and a v e
r y l o u d
explosion, and t h e -- it
f e l t l i k e t h e r e was an
explosion above us, and I had
a momentary concern t h a t
our b u i l d i n g was c o l l a p s i n g .
Looking up, guys were diving i n t o t h e
stairway, and then it was l i k e -- everybody was very
scared by then. I ' m t a l k i n g t h e firemen, and then
we
were very worried about what was going on. We d i d n '
t
know, but apparently t h a t was t h e o t h e r b u i l
d i n g
f a l l i n g . I think we were t h a t f a r along.
So we regrouped i n t h e stairway f o r a couple
of minutes, and I t o l d t h e guys, "All r i g h
t , hang on.
L e t ' s see what's going on." I s t i l l wanted
t o go up
and f i g h t t h e f i r e . The chief was very good. He
s a i d ,
"All r i g h t , everybody calm down."
A couple of firemen s a i d , "Did you f e e l t h
a t
rush of a i r ? " and t h i n g s l i k e t h a t ,
and how it was
going on. It r e a l l y f e l t l i k e our b u i l d i
n g was coming
down, and then t h e c h i e f , who was out of s i g h
t f o r a
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B. BECKER
few minutes, then came running up the stairs, and
that's my impression, and he was saying -- "All
right--" everybody was very adamant and loud, and he
said, "Everybody, we are -- all Fire Department
personnel are out of the building. We are getting
out. Leave all your equipment," he was yelling, "Leave
your equipment, and just get up and go, go, go," like
that.
So I presume that he got the word that the
other building had fallen.
Q. What floor were you guys on?
A. I would say 30th or 31st, something like
that.
Q. That's when the chief --
A. That's when we were notified. I think this
was the llth Battalion. I think his body was recovered
yesterday.
Q. Oh,boy.
A. But I'm not sure, because I thought that the
llth battalion also was with Ladder 6 when they were --
so I'm not clear on all this.
So we made -- we started to make our way back
down, and there were no civilians to speak of in our
stairway. There were a couple of stragglers being
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B. BECKER
A. We stayed on the primary technical Channel
1. We never switched.
Q. You never switched.
Just going back, given the current status of
any member missing or deceased member, did you see them
or did you --
A. No, I never saw a firefighter die. I never
saw -- turns out our chauffeur made it. He was pulled
into a building. He had experienced both collapses on
the street, and he had been somehow pulled in on the
second one that would have destroyed our apparatus
totally. He was pulled into a building by a policeman
or something into a federal building or something.
MR. MURAD: George, any questions?
BY MR. CUNDARI:
Q. What did you hear when the building starting
collapsing the second time? Did you feel -- just
started coming down? You didn't hear anything, feel
anything?
A. We felt -- our whole building that we were
in, when World Trade Center 2 collapsed, that was the
first one to collapse. We were in World Trade Center
1. It was a tremendous explosion
and tremendous
shaking of our building. We
thought it was our
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Q. They are describing it as the north tower.
A. The north tower came down.
Q. Where did you exit out of?
A. The same place --
Q. The same way you went in? Okay. You went
north on West Street?
A. We went north on West Street. We decided
not to go to our rig, because we saw a lot of people
up here, so we started going towards them. When the
tower started -- there was a big explosion
that I
heard and someone screamed that it was coming down
and I looked away and I saw all the windows
domino -- you know, dominoeing up and then come
down. We were right in front of 6, so we started
running and how are you going to outrun the World
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K. Murray
Trade Center? So we threw our tools and I dove
under a rig. The chauffeur Hughey from 18 Truck
dove with me. The rest of 18 Truck dove under
something else. Not the same rig as us, and then it
came down. I don't even think we made it to Vesey
Street. We might have been right on the corner of
Vesey Street.
Q. And were the guys from 18 safe and
accounted for?
A. Well, not at that point, but eventually
through the day we found Charlie Maloney who we
thought was killed in the lobby. He had made it out
himself across to the Financial Center, across the
street, and the roof man, Ralph from 18 Truck had
gotten hurt and he was found at 7 Engine and 1 Truck
later on. About seven hours later.
Q. Anything else you want to add?
A. No.
MR. MURAD/CUNDARI: Okay. So basically
this concludes our interview. I would like
to thank you, Firefighter Kevin Murray, for
this interview which you just gave us.
The time now is 1300 hours and at this
time I would like to conclude this
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